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We here would like to call attention to a news article written by Nude-Form member & :iconrespect-us: founder affliate PolarExtremesStudio. He writes about "the Worsening State of dA Nude Photography" news.deviantart.com/article/13… .

One of the principles we have here at Nude-Form is quality over quantity. Some people just don't understand that although dA may have a relatively lax, WE here at Nude-Form do care.

Here are dA's own definition of what they considers pornography:

FAQ #565: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic imagery'; what do you consider this to be?

Art may be subjective. We, no, I personally think matters haven't been helped that dA admin has taken the approach of not wanting to offend anyone, so no or little enforcement happens, & ultimately, not standing for anything by default.

We are also in agreement when philosopher Susanne Langer writes that there being a difference between "good" art & "bad" art. Nor do we have any bones about making that judgment. Just don't let the Art History major in me get started about the crap that passes for Modern Art. :)

Again, here's the link news.deviantart.com/article/13… . Read the  & decide for yourself.
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:iconunbearable-lightness:
Unbearable-Lightness Sep 22, 2010
I am a member of Nude-Form, and sometimes one of my works is declined. As an administrator at Votre-Charme, I totally understand why this is necessary. We are deluged with work. I commend polarimpress and the other administrators for keeping a high bar. And also for leaving the porn where it belongs - O-U-T.
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DannyBillArgent Sep 23, 2010
There is no doubt... the bar is set very high. Maybe too high. Some of the more interesting stuff is lower down and comes from artists that need help and encouragement that they aren't getting because they don't get the exposure.

I read that on dA back in the old days, this used to be a great place to come for encouragement and feedback. It certainly isn't something I have seen since I have been here. Maybe this is an unfortunate side effect of the deluge of porn hitting the site?
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Though we respect your viewpoint & ALWAYS encourage discussion, we have chosen to "set the bar high" as you phrase it.

I was always taught to keep a high standard as an example of what (in the context of this discussion) we the artists CAN be & the standards we strive for. Not what we already are.

We keep "the bar high" also because there IS such a derth of (what we consider) tasteless porn here on :devart:. Other than reporting pieces to the approriate admin, there's little action we can actively do. Complaining to the artist themself is counterproductive & only breeds animosity. Besides if the situation were reversed, I the member would probably get pissy if someone troll started calling a piece of my "tasteless porn that doesn't belong here". Admin gets (proverbially) paid the big bucks to make those kinds of judgement calls not us.

Furthermore we here at #Nude-Form have chosen to create a safe haven of sorts where our members can be shielded from that kind of content. If they do wish to see that kind of stuff, we're cool w/ that & there are plenty of groups here on :devart: that do cater to it...its just not us.

"I read that on dA back in the old days, this used to be a great place to come for encouragement and feedback. It certainly isn't something I have seen since I have been here."

As someone who's been here since early 2005, I'd argue that the critique/feedback system & its effect had a negilible effect on quality of content.

I personally believe it had more to do w/ :devart: admin's rise to not tick off anyone. They themselves define what is & is not porn in:

FAQ #565: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic imagery'; what do you consider this to be?

...Because they don't want to be accused of "censoring (someone's) art" & thus losing members, they let so much more through even those that clearly violate :devart:'s own definititon.

It doesn't help that :devart: admin has chosen to focus on other outside sites like Tumblr & Twitter. But that's another analysis that I'd rather not get into.

The point it is, we here at :iconnude-form: may "set the bar high" but its for a reason. All we really is that there be some sort of ATTEMPT at artistic merit. Its not enough that the model be nude, there has to be something interesting about it (could be anything from its composition to its lighting to the context the model is place in to any of a litany of other things). Even if it does meet the "interesting" threshold, sometimes we unfortunately have to reject simply based on image quality grounds like if the ENTIRE image is blurry & not in that "I intended it that way" kinda deal. It just is what it is.
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Unbearable-Lightness Sep 23, 2010
No one is ever too "high" not to need encouragement. Believe me. I know some of renowned living photographers, and they cannot understand why people ignore them and don't even acknowledge them. You'd be surprised how little support you get at the top. As a model I get far more feedback than some of the great photographers who have photographed me.

Until an artist has died, those at the top may be hated and resented and if they get feedback it is often nasty. A human being never reaches a point of complete comfort and security when they are very serious about their work. Those who set the bar high are not happy with any product they can produce as most beginners are that I know.

We need to recognize and reward excellence or we have done to art what has been to the letter grade system in education. Everyone believes they deserve an A today just for effort. It ruins the standard very quickly.
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TheHarlequinsMask Sep 22, 2010  Professional Photographer
Read that, tend very much to agree.
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PolarExtremesStudio Sep 21, 2010  Professional Photographer
thank you for the support
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