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:iconnude-form: recently had a comment that I'd like use as a basis for a discussion.

"There is (indeed a high quality standard here,) maybe too high. Some of the more interesting stuff is lower down and comes from artists that need help and encouragement that they aren't getting because they don't get the exposure."

I agree completely w/ this statement. Many of the "more interesting" stuff comes from the young, up & comers. But to many times artists who are "lower down the scale" take that to mean that they don't need any standards whatsoever.

That's where we come in. We here at Nude-Form have CHOSEN to keep a high standard in what we approve for gallery submittal.

Why?

I was taught to be the leader that I myself would want to follow. In a sense, I'm extending that to this group. Everything that gets approved are things that "I" would want to view OR I believe a great majority of others would want to view.

If people don't like it, they are completely free to form a group here on :devart: & set the standards as you see fit (that's what I did in a lot of ways). I don't find anything wrong w/ this. The community here on :devart: is not a zero sum game where you have all these groups & members competing for the same resources. We believe there is plenty of space to allow us all to do our own thing, sometimes our respective paths intersect - sometimes we don't.

Anyway, we have chosen some sort of baseline standards for ALL submittals. What are they? In no particular order:

1. They HAVE TO BE NUDE. Yes, we know there are other groups out there that accept clothed work. We're just not one of them.

2. Works need not be perfect on the technical execution end of things (light & shadow, composition, context the model is in, etc) but they DO need to be "interesting." Yes, this is a judgment call.

3. Though we're willing to accept the less than perfectly sound image, the image quality cannot be so poor that it interferes w/ the viewing experience. No, we're not talking about "watermarks. We respect artists & leave their personal display decisions to them. We're usually talking about heavily out of focus imaging but are not limiting ourselves to just those either.

4. There's a difference between an "art nude" image & an image of a "nekkid body". I do believe there is a place for both here on :devart:. We here at the Nude-Form are more prone to showcase the former.

That's where I'm coming from & hope this helps.

Feel free to discuss & debate this. Just be an adult, not that I doubt y'all wouldn't.

Good day. :)
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RevBurnsie-Redux Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I've got to admit that I do agree with you on this. It is always a personal choice of course, but every person should have standards that keep them moving forward. I don't see any reason why it would be different for this group.

In the same vein, should someone disagree with the parameters you've set, there are certainly other groups out there waiting with open arms with a different set of standards that would suit the dissenter's quite well.

I don't see any reason why a single group should be targeted as bias with so many groups available.
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ograbek69 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
everything's clear. and... although it's not easy to criticize our own works, each of us should just take a look at his own photographs, before we put some on DA. in this case the rules this group can just help in making a proper assessment, I think. and... I hope my images can be displaying to the world. the DA community knows well how to evaluate it each time... :) best regards!
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blackflute Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2010
I for one am all for maintaining quality standards in groups.

What is the point of a group if it doesn't reflect the founder's tastes? Including "lesser quality" work just because it is out there IMHO will only serve to dilute the group collections.

I've dropped out of groups expressly because I had the impression that they were simply accepting every submission that came along. If I want to see lesser quality work I don't need a group, I can find that with no more effort than browsing the dA photography category.

To me including substandard work in order to encourage the creator to improve is a bit analogous to giving a puppy a biscuit and patting him on the head every time he pees on the carpet.

If you really feel the need to include work for this reason perhaps creating a folder for "Beginning Photography" could at least help differentiate that work from the work that you have chosen because you feel that it has merit.

Hope I'm not being a Curmudgeon (oops) about this but that impulse just makes zero sense to me.
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lococso Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
endorse this
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TheHarlequinsMask Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010  Professional Photographer
Sounds fair and reasonable to me!
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PixelPerfectPhotog Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010  Professional Photographer
I have no trouble with the rules. They are what they are and I realize some are subjective, but still I have no problem with that.

The quality of this group is great. If I get my images in fine, if not fine too. I need to look at my images and decide what I should do or not. Again no one is holding a gun to my head to post here!! :D
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DannyBillArgent Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
I agree completely!

...Well I would, it was me that you are quoting! :) (I expect this means you'll be giving my work serious consideration?)

My point was that there are people who think "Hey I want of have a go at this photography lark", and they can't be expected to rush out and buy even an entry level dSLR on a whim, nor acquire the years of knowledge and experience. You gotta start somewhere.

And just because you cannot, and could not produce the technical excellence and perfection of some of the professional photographers on here, doesn't mean you can't produce good, interesting and original pictures... or excellent art. In fact, quite the contrary... many people here have made a living for years from art, although they are fingers and thumbs when it comes to cameras -- while some photographers (even some of the professionals) could use some help from those with a background in paint and pencils.

I can't help feeling that in some quarters, technical ability is valued over actual artistic merit, and that some people can't even tell the difference... this wasn't aimed at any group in particular, although I do think "there is a gap in the market" as far as serious groups go. I'm also surprised that I haven't seen it as a talking point, as I have quite a few family and friends who are professional photographers, who often make this complaint.

So at the risk of upsetting some people, that's the reason for the comment that was quoted above.
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semi234 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
I don't think you were taking it as such but I wasn't trying to call you out when I used your quote.

"(My comment) this wasn't aimed at any group in particular, although I do think "there is a gap in the market" as far as serious groups go."

Would you care to elaborate your thoughts on this?
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DannyBillArgent Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2010
"I wasn't trying to call you out when I used your quote.

Oh, I didn't think you were calling me out. Actually I'm extremely flattered that anybody took notice of what I said and that you think it worthy of further discussion.

I just felt I should elaborate on what I originally said... I have to say that I backed down from any further discussion there because I felt uncomfortable saying it. My comment didn't seem to be particularly well received on the journal, and on the news item the original poster said some rather nasty comments about the work of a member whose work (and opinion) I greatly admire, and who is far more talented than I.

I'm an opinionated person, but I don't get into fights I'm not going to win!

"Would you care to elaborate your thoughts on this?"
I would, but I don't know I can!

Don't think I'm trying to get my work into any galleries, that's not where I'm coming from, I'm trying to champion the stuff I think is original and that I like.
I think we can agree there is some really 'interesting' and beautiful art out there that doesn't get much attention. I'm surprised that some of the groups haven't been a little more pro-active in seeking it out and featuring it... maybe in a 'gifted amateurs' section. A weekly thing maybe?

I say that the groups should maybe seek some of this stuff out because for those that KNOW our limitations, it can be a little intimidating to submit (or even be accepted as a member). What I consider to be my worst works have been included in groups by their request, and my best work refused -- I'm obviously not in on the zeitgeist so I just watch groups for the most part and don't get involved.
Amateurs that do it for fun, may not wish to subject themselves to a string of rejections. I know I don't and I have a fairly thick skin.

I think it great if you do include works of a lesser quality, I'd be even more impressed if you were to hunt them down rather than waiting for submissions. But as Iv'e never run a group... what do I know?
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semi234 Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2010
"I think it great if you do include works of a lesser quality, I'd be even more impressed if you were to hunt them down rather than waiting for submissions."

Don't worry we do PLENTY of hunting down. :nod:
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